Black Van Life

[Cammalu]

BLEEp. It wasn't her fiasco. She was a clear victim.


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[GotSmart]

Crystalvanner makes women and nomads look bad in my eyes.  Over dramatic and attention grabbing.  But that is just my opinion.  I know she is looked up to by many in the community and appreciate her effort.  I don't know how many heard of her fiasco at Jamie's build, but it damn near shut the whole thing down.


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You will meet someone that was there. 

She was assaulted in the middle of the night while sleeping. By Jamie’s camera man. So were two other women. Jamie blew it off. He also did not get his permits. Jamie is to blame for that fiasco  I would have brought the LEO ‘s in if it happened to one of my family.  Imagine if that happened to Toni.

[Snikwahjm]

As far as blacks living in a van.... The next door neighbors at my parent’s house are black. People come and go there like a revolving door. Never a for rent sign. Once they had an FBI raid. One day I was out getting the mail and I noticed an SUV in the garage - tail was open and there was a bed in there all very neatly done up. Blacked out windows. Somebody is living in that SUV. It comes and goes on occasion but it goes in the garage when it is back.

[Putts]

I wouldn't want to be black in today's America living in a van. 

I can't imagine the things being a woman, much less being black, or moreso a black woman, might feel like. The level of guard needed would make me crazy. 

None the less, I've had no problem with black or brown or gay or weird people I've met if they're open and loving. It just doesn't matter then. Cool people are cool people. 

"I've never met a human that wasn't incredibly beautiful and fatally flawed." - Me

Shit does happen though. With good people it comes in the form of being a dumbass, rather than being rotten mostly. There are rotten people though. Ah well, it's tricky sometimes.

I felt Crystal a bit of a drama queen, but I also have a big problem with what happened...bigger than Crystal and her drama. 

Anywho, I think finding good people and hanging out sounds great. And I think when people get out-of-hand around the people around here they'll be taken care of...like Gary just did with the now black name. The strength of the masculine in us will take care of it--and it will come from men and women here alike. 

In 50 years there's going to be so much mixing of color it won't matter much. Wish it would come quicker.

[bLEEp]

Crystalvanner makes women and nomads look bad in my eyes.  Over dramatic and attention grabbing.  But that is just my opinion.  I know she is looked up to by many in the community and appreciate her effort.  I don't know how many heard of her fiasco at Jamie's build, but it damn near shut the whole thing down.


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You will meet someone that was there. 

She was assaulted in the middle of the night while sleeping. By Jamie’s camera man. So were two other women. Jamie blew it off. He also did not get his permits. Jamie is to blame for that fiasco  I would have brought the LEO ‘s in if it happened to one of my family.  Imagine if that happened to Toni.

That's not what I heard at all.... I heard it was a woman on woman thing. The LEOs were involved.... Crystal pressed charges, on a woman. We may be talking of two separate incidents? The permits should not be needed any more than bob needs permits or we need permits to gather and help each other. Did you watch the videos of him with the rangers? Everyone was real cool about it. Toni is in a group of only female nomads, the only reason I know of all of this, that and Jamie and I communicate a little. Again, everyone has a side to the story. Point is crystal is dramatic


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[Putts]

That's not what I heard at all.... I heard it was a woman on woman thing.  The LEOs were involved.... Crystal pressed charges, on a woman.  

I think that was a different incident in a coffee shop or laundrimat or something. Maybe I'm wrong.

Whoever went up to a girls van at night without being invited is a different thing and very wrong, IMO.

[bLEEp]

That's not what I heard at all.... I heard it was a woman on woman thing.  The LEOs were involved.... Crystal pressed charges, on a woman.  

I think that was a different incident in a coffee shop or laundrimat or something. Maybe I'm wrong.

Whoever went up to a girls van at night without being invited is a different thing and very wrong, IMO.

Ahhhh yes, perhaps.
Think it's funny there are at least three similar incidents with one person involved who makes money on YouTube.
I am sorry, not funny, especially in today's media atmosphere.
To be honest, I would NEVER attend Jamie's build knowing now what I know. Like I would never attend burning man. I NEVER do New Years. We were going to be near slab city for New Years and I decided against it. People a long way from civilization act exponentially more crazy under the influence the farther out you go, like toddlers. I speak from experience. I saw it comin....
That being said, they helped a ton of folks out there and Jamie is a good dude.
No, I would not want to be any more brown than I already am living on the road. People are fucked up, I guess that's true all around.


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[TrainChaser]

There are people out there who are so determined not to offend anyone that they end up offending a lot of people. They haven't figured out yet that you can't keep everyone happy.

Yes, I think Crystal is something of a drama queen, but the facts of the matter haven't changed: she was asleep in her van and a drunk guy reached in and grabbed her ankle... THIRD woman in just a few minutes. Women are used to putting up with this shit because many guys don't think it's a big deal, like Jamie. Instead of making a stand, they make excuses.

And many women are tired of putting up with this behavior. Crystal's attacker was lucky. Had it been me, I would have shot the SOB. And see how wimpy Jamie deals with THAT. Kind of bad advertising, eh?

[GotSmart]

That is how it started. The following incidents happened because people blamed the victim. 

When you get here you can talk to someone that was a first hand witness. Otherwise I wish that this would drop.

[bLEEp]

Who blamed the victim man? I sure did not. I said crystal is dramatic. I stand by that. It is no ones fault other than the person who committed the offense. Not Jamie's, not the victim's. I'd really rather not talk about the whole thing in person. I really did not want to talk about it to begin with. I have plenty sexual assaults in my own memory. Crystal, or anyone talking shit on Jamie and what he was trying to do out there sure does not help anyone. That's all I am saying. I think you misread or something John.


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